Mega Powerfull Mechanical Filtration algae removal

[qxcontinuum]

Never! Right qx? :bounce:

He he ...sooner

1) I am already having a 10 or 15 gallons tank ready for that.
2) I am running a Aqua Medic Turboflotor 1000
3) And the new filter
4) Phosphates remover

Will see in the next few months if a sump would be required or not


"It's gonna clog....revolutionary is that live rock and a sump do the filtration the natural way, nothing to change or get clogged. You'll come around..... "

I am sure it does. The question is when? This is something i must see. If is over 2 weeks than the product is greater than any other filters on the market which requires not more than two week change. Even one week is enaugh.

 

[Bifferwine]

Umm I think you misunderstood. Live rock and a sump do filtration the natural way, by providing a hospitable environment for bacteria to live in. The bacteria convert the ammonia, nitrites and nitrates into harmless compounds, so they are doing the filtration for your tank, with no need to change filters or for anything to be clogged.

That's what he's saying.

 

[qxcontinuum]

i don't get it, what does it have to do live rock, microbiological and bacteria with what i just did?
This is just a mechanical filtration of all the floating debris in the tank as well as everything over 1 micron. Bacteria colonies are less than 1 micron so it'll just travel between the filter and tank. I can use 5 -10- 20 -50 microns as well.
This device doesn't affect anything that is in my tank. The discussion was deviated from the subject again.


Then some of you are a contradiction; on one hand advocating the beneficial bacteria and how good this does in a tank, on the other hand many of you are killing it using UV sterilizers.
What’s the point? I am sure in a tank with an active UV there’s no more micro bacterial filtration. It’s gone, dead. Only the worms are left and doing a job.

 

[SeaBee]

The stuff lives in the rock, the water passes over the rock and the critters eat all that you are trying to catch in the filter you made. The uv only kills what passes through it, so the rock never gets "killed". I use a uv to keep down the ich in the water and other stuff, makes the water clearer, I think, and my fish are healthy, no doubt. YOu will do what you like as we all do. Some just have been doing this a long time and have experience. That filter you made is a nitrate factory once it gets full of poo and uneaten food, it starts to rot and give off nitrates. So you will need to change it, weekly or bi-weekly, and thuse be a pain in the butt plus the expense. I had two ehiems when I started, it took me all of a month to decide cleaning them every other week was a pain in the ass and expensive, so I built a sump, which took time. Now I have only one eheim left and its full of floss only to catch the big stuff, with valves I can change it in 5 minutes once a month when I do my water change...that's right water change once a month, not every week, stable and healthy......

 

[Bifferwine]

Then some of you are a contradiction; on one hand advocating the beneficial bacteria and how good this does in a tank, on the other hand many of you are killing it using UV sterilizers.
What’s the point? I am sure in a tank with an active UV there’s no more micro bacterial filtration. It’s gone, dead. Only the worms are left and doing a job.

The bacteria live in the rocks and sand. Not much at all live in the water. So the UV filter kills very little of the beneficial bacteria. Even in tanks with a UV system, all the bacteria in the rock and sand (which is 99% of the bacteria in the tank) is still alive and doing its job.

 

[qxcontinuum]

Yes i had a few canisters and decided to get rid of them. There is indeed an amonia spike. With this filter i built i am only thinking to run it 7 days, No more than that. The change is very fast and takes only few minutes, this isn't a problem.
The availability of cartridges makes me still keep it. Basically i can also ad a cartridge that ozone the water, i can ad a simple sponge filter, i can ad an activated carbon , all of them are about 5-6$.
I really think this is great!
Withe the protein skimmer, this is the only filter i have decided to keep and so far i had canisters, external, hang on, internal, this one is farest the best one and the flow is really great.

 

[dcantucson]

qx I think it's great you're trying to improve techniques used in maintaining your system, but at the same time I think that re-inventing the hobby and proven methods is a waste of your time, energy and money. Why try to re-invent things?

 

[qxcontinuum]

qx I think it's great you're trying to improve techniques used in maintaining your system, but at the same time I think that re-inventing the hobby and proven methods is a waste of your time, energy and money. Why try to re-invent things?

because is cheapper and better?
isn't those inventions meant to improve and make life easier?

changing and cleaning a canister would take me 20 minutes

this one takes me 3 minutes!

 

[dcantucson]

Okay...........
:dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno:

 

[SeaBee]

C'man Tucan, maybe he's on to something, I say give him a chance. Ok qx, put in that 1 micron filter and then overfeed the fish tank, tell me what happens after a day or so...

 

[qxcontinuum]

C'man Tucan, maybe he's on to something, I say give him a chance. Ok qx, put in that 1 micron filter and then overfeed the fish tank, tell me what happens after a day or so...

probably a nitrate spike?
This mechanical flter will not remove organic waste. Only the activated carbon, protein skimmer and in sall proportions live bacteria.

Important please read;

Be honest with yourselves and please look in your gracious sump, or canisters, isn't the water running through a sponge? Isn't that another method of mechanical filtration?
If you can have it 50 times better ( a sponge = 50 microns) for just about few bucks, would you be so ignorant just to not have it and ignore any potential great idea just because you must built and because it doesn't have a label on? Would you look for any excuses just to justify the ignorance of seeing a concept you refused from the beginning without trying it?

How about i patent these devices, i sign a contract with the factory who makes them. I am adding a name to them, then advertising and reselling 10 times over price. I am sure will be a hit and everyone will buy it. The greatest 50 times more filtration filter. Easy, handy and fast set up, efficient and easy replaceable. Everyone of you will buy one just because was sold by your favorite pet store. Same thing happens daily with so many products on the market!

P.S
I hope you guys understand the flight on the plain would not be possible these days without people like if we were stuck in old technologies instead of thinking to alternatives ways. Between USA and Europe a boat can travel too and is more natural. Why would you flight a plain. Only birds can fly .. . . .

"e pur si muove" Galileo Gallilei!

 

[XxKnuckleheadxX]

my "GRACIOUS SUMP" has NO sponge at all. it has a sand bed chaeto and a protien skimmer. and I DO NOT have to replace filters ever. so in the long run. my setup will cost me less then yours. and work better. how do i know it works better? its been proven in the hobby. there are hundreds of thousands of hobbiest using this method with a sump.
alls were tryint to do is help you out and tell you our knowledge and trial and errors.
Ps go into conspiracy theory

 

[qxcontinuum]

interesting because as far i have seen in reality and online documentations all sumps are having a filter media including a sponge/textile/ or else which stops and holds debris.


On the other hand a sump is only intended to remove phosphates.

1) We can do that chemically (i know isn't that great as natural, consumed by algae, Mother Nature isn't replaceable)

2) Why not using those macro algae, calurpa or whatever there called in the reef tank?
Wouldn't be faster and better. Not mentioning that some algae are really great looking in areef tank and a nice addition

 

[daugherty]

i have nothing in my tank that i need to replace or clean ever. and my tank is zeroed out for po4 and nitrate. these thing are not needed if you take your time and set the tank up right. and to do that you need to have patience

 

[XxKnuckleheadxX]

i do have macro alge, chaeto.. look at my build thread... i took a pic of my setup.

 

[Bifferwine]

I'm not quite sure where you get these ideas of what "everyone" else does. Protein skimmers don't use sponges or filter media. Like others, I do not use any sort of sponge or filter media in my setup. I never need to change or clean anything. I don't have any sponges anywhere in my whole system. I also have zero mechanical filtration (which is what your 1, 5, 20 micron filter cartridges are). Mechanical filtration is not necessary. If you have so much algae that it's in your water column and you have to use mechanical filtration to pull it out, you've got major water quality issues that you need to work on. Pulling the algae out of the water column is treating the symptom of the problem, not the cause.

 

[SeaBee]

I'm out...can't take it anymore.......:frustrat:

 

[SeaBee]

probably a nitrate spike?
This mechanical flter will not remove organic waste. Only the activated carbon, protein skimmer and in sall proportions live bacteria.

Important please read;

Be honest with yourselves and please look in your gracious sump, or canisters, isn't the water running through a sponge? Isn't that another method of mechanical filtration?
If you can have it 50 times better ( a sponge = 50 microns) for just about few bucks, would you be so ignorant just to not have it and ignore any potential great idea just because you must built and because it doesn't have a label on? Would you look for any excuses just to justify the ignorance of seeing a concept you refused from the beginning without trying it?

How about i patent these devices, i sign a contract with the factory who makes them. I am adding a name to them, then advertising and reselling 10 times over price. I am sure will be a hit and everyone will buy it. The greatest 50 times more filtration filter. Easy, handy and fast set up, efficient and easy replaceable. Everyone of you will buy one just because was sold by your favorite pet store. Same thing happens daily with so many products on the market!

P.S
I hope you guys understand the flight on the plain would not be possible these days without people like if we were stuck in old technologies instead of thinking to alternatives ways. Between USA and Europe a boat can travel too and is more natural. Why would you flight a plain. Only birds can fly .. . . .

"e pur si muove" Galileo Gallilei!

Ahh, no, the fu&*er will clog......I told you I had one of those on my fresh water tank in like 1994......I ripped it our couldnt take the changing cartridge work anymore.

 

[qxcontinuum]

So no mechanical filtration? How do you manage to get rid of all debriefs in your tank, dust, etc...

I took off the 1 micron cartridge today. As i can see lots of algae were caught insight. Id doesn't penetrate since the middle is white. I blow on hand of the central opening keeping the other end. No signd of any clogging so far the air goes through easily.

I still don't get it while are we still talking about sumps?
I can't have a sump, i just heard some horror stories today with huge quantities of water spilt because of clogged overflows. No thanks, i don't need that. I better put some macroalage in my reef tank and the effect will be the same and maybe even better.
Not everyone is having a sump and still their reef tanks are looking good. Chimical phosphate removers are fine and don't see any problems with that.

 

[SeaBee]

The worst that can happen to my sump is a burned out pump if it runs dry....cant flood and cant overflow the tank, I tested it, so deas everyone else...they are safe.